Happy Thursday folks. Your artist here for yet another helping of me babbling about nonsense. Been a little while, but we’ve been a little busy with some cool stuff that I hope we can tell you all about soon. In the meanwhile, I’m going tell you why I didn’t like Firefly. Not the Cobra saboteur, or the Batman pyromaniac, or the Rob Zombie’s psychopathic family. Joss Whedon’s Firefly. Yes… THAT Firefly. (Oh yes, I’m goin’ there.) Before I continue, I want to emphasize that I got nothing against the man or his other works. I wasn’t a fan of Buffy or Angel, not because I disliked them, but because it just wasn’t what I was interested in. I loved his run on X-Men, up until that conclusion (and I probably wouldn’t have disliked it so much if it hadn’t been so chronically late all the time) and I look forward to his Avengers movie. (Though, I have nothing good to say about Dollhouse. I’m still irked they cancelled the Sarah Conner Chronicles for it.)
You see, at that time when the show was airing, science fiction was essentially was in a dearth. Star Trek: Enterprise was sucking Warp Factor vapors right out of drydock, Star Wars had just delivered Episode II, which I consider to be the worst of the saga (And I LIKED the prequels), X-Files had wrapped up with a whimper, Lexx had ended with a depressing sigh, Babylon 5 had embarrassed itself with Crusade, Stargate SG1 was still a Showtime exclusive, and Sci-Fi Channel had JUST cancelled the really awesome and really underrated Farscape. (I miss Scorpius.) If you were a science fiction fan, Firefly was your only real outlet. So I understand why it’s so popular. It’s one of those “right place, right time” sort of things. The problem is every sci-fi fan and friend I had was telling me I have to watch Firefly, and that it’s the greatest science fiction show in years. And at the time, I didn’t want to watch it, I just did not want to get involved into a new show. Especially on FOX, since it’ll be cancelled in a season. Doesn’t matter if it’s good or not, if it didn’t get higher ratings than reruns of Cops, then getting attached to a new show was just an exercise in masochism. And it had happened over and over again. Millennium, Strange Luck, VR5, Brisco Country Jr., Brimstone, Wonderfalls, The Lone Gunmen… I just didn’t feel like getting attached to a show AGAIN and having it cancelled, leaving the series in a cliffhanger or on a downer note. And of course, it was cancelled. Big shock. But even after it’s cancellation, people were still praising it’s greatness to me. And I just didn’t really wanna see it. I didn’t want to watch a series that I’d just get irritated at because it ended on an unresolved note. Then Serenity came out, and then my friends were all “Dave, it’s got an ending now! And the movie was awesome! You HAVE to watch it!”
You see, especially at that time, I had this reputation of being the ‘guy who doesn’t like anything.’ Like I was cynical and saw flaws in everything. Which is frellin’ hilarious, because if anyone even really talks to me for more than ten minutes, they find out that I’m a pretty open minded guy who likes cheesy stupid movies, bad pop music, and silly cartoons. I just don’t like pretentious. You might have noticed in our comic, when faced against great odds, our characters don’t pull out some magical deus ex machina about the meaninglessness of life and how humanity is a cancer or whatever. We use a steel chair on a vampire and had a green dreadlocked cyborg roundhouse kick the one-eyed bitch. Our book is many things, but pretentious is NOT one of them. I had a long rant about the Matrix movies here, but it was too much of a derailment. (So I’ll get back to them later.) But the same people who were telling me how The Matrix films were the greatest movies ever were telling me how Firefly was the greatest show ever. My Pretentious Warning Alarm went off like a klaxon. So I managed to avoid watching it for a few years.
So one day, I was bored, and I decided to borrow my uncle’s copy of the show, and sat down and watched it. I sat through seven episodes: It wasn’t pretentious at all. But it wasn’t the greatest show ever. It was okay. Really, that’s it. Just okay. After the seventh episode… Time came to swap out the disk, and just didn’t want to. I just didn’t care. I didn’t care about River, didn’t care about Mal Reynolds, even though we shared a last name, I didn’t care about Zoe, or the Reavers or whatever the hell. (I kinda liked Book though. He was kinda neat.) I could see why people liked the show and that was cool, but it just didn’t appeal to me. In actuality, I thought it borrowed too much from other science fiction shows. Outlaw Star is the one that immediately popped to my head. Space western, smart mouth but disallusioned hero in a brown trench coat and a pistol, renegade crew, young emotionally impaired girl who seems “sweet and innocent but harbors darkness in her”, badass chick who can kick anyone’s ass, a sidekick like mechanic youth, and of course the Serenity looked similar to the Outlaw Star. All it was missing was a Ctarl-Ctarl. But hey, you know… Star Wars and Indiana Jones were essentially homages and borrowed heavily from old 1930 serials and adventure flicks, and they were my favorite films. And it’s not like influences aren’t found rife in my own artwork. I didn’t mind the universe, I just didn’t care about the story. So I jumped ahead and watched Serenity and just to see how it ended, and “Oh wow, what a shock! Joss Whedon killed the kinda likable character! I didn’t see that coming a mile away.”
So yeah, I didn’t hate Firefly. I just didn’t like it.
That’s not where the fun begins with me though. It’s when I tell people I didn’t like Firefly, they start down this same exact list each time. This has happened so much, it’s in the double digits, and I’m sure after I type this, it’ll go into triple digits. It’s hilarious. Here’s an approximate retelling of all the conversations:
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ME: I didn’t like Firefly.
THEM: Why not? (Almost always in an accusatory manner, like I just insulted their genitals.)
ME: I watched the first seven episodes, and the movie, and it didn’t appeal to me. Just wasn’t my thing.
THEM: Did you watch them in order?
ME: Yes.
THEM: What didn’t you like about them?
ME: I just didn’t really care for the characters. The characters they bothered to develop I wasn’t really liking and I wasn’t all that interested in the story.
THEM: (Usually here they ask for specifics, which they almost always tell me how River isn’t a one dimensional and she develops more as time goes on, or that Zoe isn‘t a Mary Sue.)
ME: Yes, but I wasn’t liking just about any character by the time I quit. I think they should have developed themselves a bit more… Like within the first few episodes.
THEM: Well you got to watch more than seven episodes! (This is always in that “insulting tone” like I’m an idiot for not realizing this.)
ME: I watched seven episodes and the movie. That’s over half the series. That’s the equivalent of watching two and a half of the three Lord of the Rings movies. If I didn’t care about Frodo and Sam by the battle of Minas Tirith, I wasn’t going to care about them ever. I’m not saying the show was bad, I was just saying it wasn’t my thing.
THEM: But you liked (insert whatever dumb sci-fi movie or show that I liked that nerds hated, like the Star Wars Prequels for example).
ME: Yeah, and they were flawed, but there was stuff in it I really liked, usually the characters. (As bad as Episode I was, Qui-Gon Jinn was really likable.) I just didn’t care about the characters in Firefly. If I don’t care about the characters, I won’t care about the show.
THEM: Whatever, you’re an idiot.
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And that’s every goddamn discussion I ever have about Firefly. Even though I said I like Joss Whedon and I said I didn’t hate the show, and I’m not even saying people are wrong for liking it…
…Imagine the crap I put up with when I tell people I liked Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen.
Are you me?
Seriously, swap “I didn’t care about the characters” with “It’s ‘Outlaw Star’ with Buffy characters” and that’s every convo I’ve ever had with a Firefly fan.
Coming out of the closet, huh? I felt much the same way when I admitted that I really quite dislike Harry Potter.
I have a great saying to extricate myself from pointless discussions like this — “To each their own, and I’m sorry – isn’t for me.”
Of course people get indignant at it, but usually they’ll understand when I counter with something I like and they can’t stand – ending with exactly the same line.
And those for whom the penny doesn’t drop and hit them in the head ? Well, shucks to be them, don’t it ?
Just remember, to each their own!
I agree heartily D-Rey. But then again I am a weirdo who hasn’t liked much of anything at all that was “hot” since damn near TMNT and GI Joe. My friends would all flip out over these shows and for the life of me I could never understand why. Not to say that Firefly, Buffy, SG1, etc, etc are bad but just that I only sorta liked them. I wouldn’t change the channel usually if they came on but I wasn’t going to change the channel for them if they came on.
I remember a friend of mine saying he just didn’t like Star Wars (the 1st out, episode IV). I was amazed until he explained that he was expecting science fiction. I liked Star Wars because it was fun fantasy, not really sci-fi at all. The same is true about Firefly.
It could be that your fan-friends set your expectations way too high as well.
I felt the same way about Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. It looked good and had clever ideas in there, but it wasn’t worth it for me to stay up that late to watch it on Adult Swim. Thanks to my brother, though, I’ve seen most of the series on DVD (about halfway through 2nd Gig) and appreciate it even more. Very nice, even if it can be slowly paced at times.
As for Firefly, I never got into it. I did like the movie enough to buy the DVD (on a discount, I think…may’ve been when the local Circuit City was closing). Still want to see the rest of Dollhouse, though.
Regardless of how you feel about the series, you still have to get a good chuckle out of “Goin’ on a year now I ain’t had nothin’ twixt my nethers weren’t run on batteries!”
I actually think the fact that Eps 4-6 of Star Wars were heavily pulp influenced, and Eps 1-3 weren’t, is most of the reason the second/first, wtf ever, trilogy gets such a bad rap. Same thing with Crystal Skull, though I am a little sad that “Nuke the Fridge” hasn’t replaced “Jump the shark” in common parlayence yet.
So we ever going to see the end of your top 10 campy movies you’ve got to see?
The thing is, Episodes 1-3 and Crystal Skull WAS heavily Influenced by pulp movies. The relationship with the savage looking Naboo and the peaceful and beautiful Gungans is right out of the John Carter books. The pod races were right from Ben-Hur, Jar-Jar’s actions were similar to Buster Keaton’s. Tons of scenes from Episode II were obvious influences from WWII action flicks, though I consider that one the weakest of the six, I won’t defend it too much. But the actions of Count Dooku were straight up Hammerhouse Dracula. His stance and posture, not to mention the same actor. There’s a lot of cinematic homages to Lawrence of Arabia with Anakin and Padme on Naboo. That opening scene in Episode III reminded me a lot of WWII dogfight footage. The Order 66 scenes wre homaged from The Godfather “Montage of Massacre”… And those were just the ones I remember of the top of my head. (The fight on Kamino is another one, but I can’t remember the movie it’s homaging right yet.) And the obvious one, Darth Vader’s “NOOOOO!” scene was lifted right from the birth of the Frankenstein monster with Boris Karloff, with the elevating table, and the stumbling forward, breaking shit.
And Crystal Skull? Oh man… The fan reaction on this one irritates me. The original three movies were influenced upon action films and serials from the 1930s. (Which they took place in.) The recent one took influences from action and adventure films from the 1950s. (Which it took place in.) Aliens, virgin jungles, evil communists… The only thing it was missing was Hitler’s brain in a jar and a lost island of dinosaurs. (And they are making another one!) James Rolfe at Cinemassacre summed up my opinions of this movie perfectly. I hold it in high regards, and to me, it’s a worthy addition to the series.
As for the “Nuke the Fridge” thing… That was overblown and for no damn reason.
I LIKED Crystal Skull, because it felt like watching one of the other movies. I even liked Shia LeBouf in it (that’s right, I said it). I think much of the disdain comes from SOME of the over-the-topness (like the ants, the fridge, and the jungle vines). The rest may come from the fact that it dealt with aliens (interdimensional or otherwise). Even though you could, in some ways, lump the possibilities of extraterrestrials on Earth with some of the OTHER crazy stuff Indy has encountered, it was a far jump from the religious or cult-related escapades of the previous three.
I think people expected to get that same “amazement” they felt as a kid watching the earlier movies (like with Star Wars or the original Transformers cartoon), but probably didn’t get that because of the natural cynicism that comes from getting older.
“But the same people who were telling me how The Matrix films were the greatest movies ever were telling me how Firefly was the greatest show ever.”
If it makes you feel any better, neither I nor anyone I know thinks the Matrix films were anything above “story went way downhill after the first one, and that one wasn’t really far up enough on the hill to begin with.” Yet everyone I know who has seen Firefly and is remotely a scifi/fantasy-ish/somewhat-geek-type (in a venn diagram, the overlap of those three circles holds about 20ish people) is, on the scale, above the mark labeled “this show is enjoyable enough to warrant watching and recommending” and usually closer to the “I strongly enjoyed this show, because I like the characters/dialogue and/or the world was interesting” mark. So, there’s at least a handful of people who would tell you the second thing but not the first : p.
The thing about the Matrix movies I did not like was just the utter pretentiousness of it. “Look how deep and philosophical it is.” Deep and Philosophical? They shove Keanu Reeves and Carrie-Anne Moss into tight leather outfits, make them do jump flips and blow shit up, while you plaster philosophy 101 crap all over the movie, and that’s considered deep and philosophical? That’s like saying Saturday Night Live has “political intrigue” because they make fun of politicians. When the movie came out, I went to go see it opening night with my friend Nik. I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t like it either. It was “Okay.” Borrowed heavily from Ghost in the Shell though. (Huh, sounds familiar.) I was attending art school (bah!) at that time, and I had a lot of friends who were in that “comic nerd circle” so to speak. In less than a weekend, I was surrounded by people who were willing to drop to their knees and blow the film, about how “great it was!” And the whole time, I’m sitting there thinking “Are you playing a joke on me? Did I not get something?” Hype came and went, and I figured it was past us. Then the Animatrix came out, in those web-released shorts. I watched them and thought they weren’t too bad. A few of them were pretty damn good. That one with the “haunted house” that was the glitch in the Matrix was my favorite, and the one with the private investigator was pretty good too. Hype started back up again, and people started in again about how great it was… Even more so now. It got to the point I did not want to see these movies, it’s how bad it was. I didn’t hate the first one, but I was growing to despise it and the franchise.
So finally the second movie came out, and everyone was thinking and ready for it to be the movie of the year, and make a million bajillion dollars. (Just to have it’s leather bound ass kicked by a cute little clown fish named Nemo.) So I saw the second movie with some friends at a convention… And they’re loving it and I’m sitting there with my mouth agape and my eyes wide… Not in awe of it’s greatness, but in awe of how BAD it was! It was like one of the worst movies I’d ever seen! I mean, I love stupid movies, I really do. I can watch Batman and Robin again, and as bad as it was, I understand it’s a bad movie because they didn’t treat the franchise with respect. But with the second Matrix movie, the creators were acting like they crapped gold, and my friends were acting like they’d commit coprophagia on that golden scat.
With Firefly, I can just say I simply just don’t like the show. I got nothing against cast, the creators or the show itself… I just didn’t like it. But the Matrix films, I stand by my comment that they’re pieces of crap. Which is kinda sad, because I really like Laurence Fishburne. I think he’s an awesome actor with an awesome voice, and he was the only major thing I liked in those movies
I am sorry D. Rey. You last me with the bit about the Matrix Trilogy. There is only one film that I know of.
I contend that the 2nd Matrix was a good movie, until the 3rd one came out. When the 3rd movie failed to deliver on the promising plot of the 2nd, it made the 2nd movie suck, retroactively.
Yeah you are all weird. There was only 1 movie. I maintain this no matter what you say and do.
I for one found Firefly alright. I enjoyed it as much as any other TV show I wouldn’t go out of my way to see (that’s pretty much everything except Doctor Who in the fiction department, with possible exception for Skyland – but that may be because my first reaction to that was “Oooh! cell-shading!” and I’d just made my first cell-shaded 3D animation). And the main reason I watched the series is because my brother had Serenity on DVD, and I was bored, saw a movie I hadn’t seen before, and so watched it. When my brother got back he asked my opinion, discovered I hadn’t seen Firefly, and so lent me the series so I could fill in some gaps (like who this “Book” guy was, who I agree was one of the characters I liked more. I also liked River, but I tend not to get bored of characters like that no matter how shallow)
The first Matrix I enjoyed, but that might be because of my enjoyment of nearly all cyberpunk-style fiction. I also liked the second movie, although not as much as the first (it seemed tacked on), the final one I’m pretty sure was an excuse for (what I think of as) the two major battle scenes in it. Mind you, they kind of fit better then the sequels to Terminator, in the first one they had set up a nice stable paradox, and the other movies and the Sarah Conner TV series pretty much used a completely different theory on time travel. I still liked them though. I’m pretty sure I let that inconsistency slide because it happens all the time in Doctor Who (has there been a time travel theory they haven’t had an episode on?)
I tend to ignore hype surrounding most things, since it nearly always leads to disappointment. But I feel like saying that one series that really annoyed me, at least partly due to hype surrounding it, was the Harry Potter series. I read the first book, and found it average at best. This was before I knew it was a series, it was recommended by a friend to be read in our reading group. The ending did make me feel there could be sequels, but I didn’t feel like going and looking for them, or actually reading them at all. Which is different, because I generally don’t read series because I lose track of what book I’m at by the 5th to 7th, so I stick to trilogies and single books so I know I’ll finish it. Rarely do I lose interest at the first book. But, even back then as a young child, I’d seen many examples of fantasy series I had enjoyed a lot more, and when I discovered it was actually a series some months or years later, the hype dissuaded me from looking into it again. Which was nothing compared to when the final book was released, the day of release, I had no fewer than 5 of my friends describe nearly the entire plot of the final book to me, and 2 of those people hadn’t even started reading it yet. I did skim through a few parts of a friend’s copy (a bit at the start, a bit somewhere in the middle, and the epilogue) which can often catch my attention to a book, but I remained mostly disinterested. Besides, I’d heard the plot 3 or 4 times by that stage and I’d either seen other books with similar plot or I just didn’t find that interesting.
I did find the Transformers movies rather enjoyable, especially when you consider that it’s pretty much based off an ad for some children’s toys. Besides, we got to see a rail gun fire in one of them, and although not as impressive some of the tests I’ve seen footage of for real railguns, I did think it was pretty cool (Although that could just be because it was a railgun).
And, I have realised that I don’t actually know what I’ve actually written here and I can’t be bothered rereading it. Besides, this entire post is just an excuse to be the first comment I think I’ve ever made on this site. And I’ve been following the comic for a while now so I figured I may as well comment.
I dunno, man… I watched a couple of episodes of Firefly, tops, and I thought it was ok. Only ok. I never felt the need to watch anymore; there was just no instant magnetic pull beyond looking at Gina Torres. I’ve never really got the facination for the show myself either, but always put it down to a case of different strokes for different folks. Anyone that lables you an idiot simply for not liking something as much as them is a bit of a boob if you ask me.
I have a friend who is rabid about the Matrix series (just to tie it in to your experience) and he considers me a bit of a numpty for disliking everything about those movies except the machine battle in the last film (if I wanted to see great martial arts, I’d go straight to the shelf and take down my copy of Drunken Master, thank you, and as for Keanu Reeves… if it’s not a Bill & Ted movie, I ain’t interested). I could watch big giant robots/mecha/whatever smack the crap out of each other all day – it’s why I love Godzilla movies. I don’t require some great big portentious sci-fi trope to hang it all on (that seems like a shameless ripoff of Grant Morrison’s The Invisibles with the metaphysics removed for the hard of thinking to boot) to make it valid – I just like that stuff. I don’t need a computer-nerd wish fulfilment story about living your life with godmode turned on and getting the hot chick attached to it to either – give me monsters and explosions and I’m pretty happy. If that makes me an idiot, then I’ll happily wear that badge. I’m a happy idiot though that knows what he likes and doesn’t feel ther need to tear people down because of their tastes at the very least.
I really liked Firefly (out of those you watched, I particularly liked “Jaynestown” and “Our Mrs Reynolds”, despite the ludicrous “net” in the latter). I was slightly annoyed with being badgered into watching it by a fan friend, however, so I can definitely sympathise with you there (I tried not to push it on people myself too much). Serenity slightly less so, as it was a little bit rushed by comparison, although it probably didn’t help that I watched it first (dragged to cinema by said fan friend). And I really didn’t like the matrix, beyond parts of their curates egg of a first film* and similarly parts of the Animatrix. Also, I haven’t seen Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, as I didn’t much like the first film.
So, where do I fit on your pretentiousness scale?
* It looked good, had fun action sequences, and the whole transition-to-realising-the-world-is-a-simulation was handled well. After that, suspension of disbelief proved a major problem as they tried to make sense of it with really bad pseudoscience babble.
Sorry! Meant to reply to the main article (don’t know how that happened). But yeah, Drunken Master is great, and Once Upon a Time in China is also worth looking at. And I haven’t much liked any of Keanu’s output outside of Bill & Ted or Point Break, although I’ll concede he was right for the role of Neo.
Oh! And A Scanner Darkly, the best PK Dick adaptation since Bladerunner (not that that’s saying much, given the competition).
I’ve never posted here before but this whole topic is really very interesting, and so I find myself compelled. I must admit to being more than slightly a movie nerd. I fully admit to at one time being addicted to TV. Point of fact that while reading the comments I even had flash backs to most of the movies/tv shows mentioned. Also I will watch just about anything once, this has led to some fairly strange movie choices that most people haven’t heard of and half the time the tittle escapes me.
The first time you watch the first Matrix movie, without knowing anything about it, which is hard to do now, it’s interesting. But the further “down the rabbit hole” you go or the more times you watch even the first movie, the more it starts to feel like it’s trying too hard to impress. It’s like someone asked just how big can we make this and they answered but somehow managed to leave out some sort of essential ingredient.
The Serenity movie is on of my guilty pleasures I must admit. I however never watched the Firefly series, and also don’t know anyone who has-or at least they haven’t raved to me about it if they did. I tried watching the series once or twice but there always seemed to be something more interesting on on another channel. So when I watched the movie I was able to treat it as just that, a movie to be enjoyed for what it was. I later saw an interview with one of the cast members that summed up the movie fairly simply. What was said was essentially that they had fun making the series but the show got canceled before they got a chance to tell more of the story, so when the option for a movie came up they got a chance to tell the story they didn’t get to before, tie up loose ends and have some fun.
That being said, my favorite thing in the whole movie (aside from the dialogue that made me laugh) was River’s “killing dance”. Something about the way that little girl sliced and diced would glue me to the TV.
Sometimes what destroys a good or even just a decent movie, is the hype, if you hear too much about it it just stops being appealing. If you come to it in your own time and don’t have someone elses opinion to weigh against your own often you might like it more or at least have a more open mind than if someone told you about it. For instance I have a general disinterest with chick flicks, being a girl I get some odd looks from other girls when I say I enjoy the resident evil movies but can’t stomach titanic. One of the last things I want to hear in a movie reference are things like “It made me cry” or “It was really touching”. Seriously what part of “I like action/adventure, sci-fi/fantasy, vampire/werewolf, post apocalyptic, supernatural thriller movies” do other girls not understand? One of the first live action movies I ever watched was Highlander, the sword fights and opener with Queen theme song left an impression.I could probably recite a bit of it from memory- not bad considering I think the last time I saw it I was 7.
Well, as far as the Highlander movie goes, having watched it recently, I can confirm for you that it does indeed hold up wonderfully almost twenty five years later. However, everything else with the Highlander name attached to it, I cannot say the same for.
I have to completely agree with you, I don’t know how they managed to make I don’t know how many movies and two tv series out of it, but they did.
The first movie was a classic however, it had a kind of grit to it and lets face it loved the villain.
Well on the subjects of likes and dislikes…
I never bothered to watch The Matrix before one of my teachers showed it to us in class.
I thought the Star Wars movies ranged from bad to passable
I’m also one of the guys that go Star trek… what?
I figure if I can get away with all that then I can’t really bitch about people not liking Firefly (a show that I truly love)
I loved firefly. I loved the entire series (except Heart o gold blech) and I loved the movie. All the same I can see where you’re coming from, not everyone is bound to like something, and just because everyone likes something doesn’t make it a crime not to.
However, even though I, a major browncoat, can forgive you for disliking firefly, I lost all respect when you mentioned liking Transformers 2. In the words of Randall Munroe: “FUCK. THAT. SHIT!”
Annnd there we go.
There were similarities that Firefly shared with anime like Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop that really bugged me. Specifically the idea that this band of ‘lovable losers’ were always out wandering the stars looking for that ‘big score’ but always coming up short. That’s a recurring anime theme that just annoys the heck out of me. I get tired real quick of the ‘we got the reward/payoff/ransom, but we had to give it up to help ‘ or ‘turns out we stole/killed/kidnapped the wrong person/item/information, so we don’t get paid and have to fix things’ stories.
There was a funny similarity I noticed with Cowboy Bebop a few years back, with Scooby Doo. Okay seriously, I’m going to give a quick character description, and tell me which show am I talking about: It’s a show about a gang of four and a dog, traveling around in a beat up vehicle that’s always breaking down. The characters are a tall lanky guy who’s always hungry, a beautiful bombshell, a tall strapping man who does most of the detective work, an androgynous looking girl geek, and a dog that’s smarter than he should be.
I often wondered if Scooby Doo should take a bounty hunter approach to things.
That…would be awesome.
Never understood the mindset of the rabid fans who can not accept the fact that not everyone is a fan of or enjoys the same things.
Funny, to me this is more or less the same conversation I’ve had with so many Browncoats. I love the “Star Wars” prequels, and apparently that’s anathema to any followers of Whedon. I’ve even begun to enjoy “Firefly” recently, and moreover wrote a long-ass article talking about why I’d started to fall in love with it. Guess what? Apparently enjoying “Firefly” isn’t enough as long as you still like the Prequels, or even worse, think that they influenced the damn show (I also see the “Outlaw Star” and “Cowboy Bebop” aspect of it– shows how insular a lot of sci-fi geeks are that they insist Whedon’s show is just “the Anti-Trek”.)
Because I’m a shameless hound for continued controversy, I’m going to post my piece. Put this in your peace-pipe and smoke it, Brownies: http://wondersinthedark.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/a-bright-center-to-the-universe-taking-a-second-look-at-joss-whedons-firefly/
Hey, Crusade was OK! I consider Firefly a good show, but it never really got under my skin or compelled me to watch it like Babylon 5, Farscape or Battlestar Galactica did.