As she’s the focus of the current scene in the comic here, I thought it might be interesting to talk about our resident green haired cyborg. Maxine Luisa Marquez has been around for a while.(A couple of years older than Charon. She‘s actually not the oldest character though. Someday I‘ll have to try and introduce you all to Marica.) To explain Max, I have to talk about the 1990’s in comic books. Back then, there was this trend in comics that to be honest, for those of us who were collecting comics then, it kind of embarrasses us to this day still: The Bad Girl Trend. Now I honestly believe that no one goes out of their way to make a bad story. As much as people may dislike certain stories, I don’t believe for a moment that the creators thought “Let’s see how bad I can make this.” unless they’re trying for some artful insight into irony. Without going into a crap load of details and making what should be a simple story, long-winded and complex… (Which as of this version of this text, I‘ve cut over a thousand words already… Damn, D.Rod‘s right that I‘m long winded….) Let’s leave it at that there was a reason the 1990s was called the “Dark Ages”. Eventually this caught up to the industry, and instead of trying to write honest to goodness decent stories… Many resorted to fanservice.
Fanservice has been around for centuries in some way shape or form, going back to Tiziano Vecellio’s ‘poesie’ series and probably before. Some people call it “art” and some people refer to it as ‘masturbatory fantasies”. The problem is all too often, the portrayal of an attractive woman can be quickly slandered by some to fall into that latter category, no matter how she’s dressed or displayed. The determination of what consists as fanservice is somewhat frustrating. And in the world of web, it doesn’t help matters much that the internet is not exactly known for it’s level headed methods of debate. The common argument people make against it is “Why don’t you look at real boobs?” I’m sorry, but in today’s age of photoshopping and digital airbrushing, prosthetic-like make-up, not to mention body modification, and recent advancements in the uncanny valley with CGI in films like Avatar… What would you define as “real boobs”? At least cartoons are honest in their portrayal. You know it’s just a drawing. It’s not lying to you, trying to pretend that it’s photo cover spread is what that actress really looks like, because our public perception of beauty has gotten to a level where it’s now impossible for a human to attain it. (And people wonder why we have a messed up society.)

Call me a jackass, but I wanna have her dubbed with Sarah Palin's voice, just to screw with people, donchaknow.
You see, the grand problem is there is an indeterminate line between what is considered acceptable and what is considered exploitative. Final Fantasy’s Rikku’s outfit is very revealing really, but I’ve seen many people who don’t even think anything about it, much less when people cosplay as her… Which is a touch disturbing, since she’s supposed to be Becka’s age. Yet the video game character Bayonetta is considered the epitome of fanservice even though she’s wearing a full body suit, is half a century old, and has the appearance of being roughly Charon‘s age. Now the counter argument to this, I’m told would be how the characters act, that Bayonetta is so much more sexually aggressive, as opposed to Rikku’s pure innocence… Seriously, this was the defense given to me. They obviously do not realize how creepy that sounds. But alright, fine… Whatever. Some people say “it’s all in context of the story. If that’s how the character is supposed to act, then nudity and sexuality is okay.” Which brings us back to the creepy Rikku/Bayonetta conundrum. Essentially the problem is that what one person finds harmless, another person might find in questionable taste, and yet another person might find utterly offensive. And for us cartoonists, it’s hair-pullingly annoying.
Why do people draw fanservice? Well, I’m sure there are people who would love to psychoanalyze the reasons to infinity and beyond, but I’m just going be blunt and explain it as best I can. Women are fun to draw. There’s nothing latently sexual about it… They’re just more fun to draw. That’s really it. Now I don’t deny there are some people who are probably subletting their fantasies a bit too much through the pencils… But for a lot of artists, it’s really just that simple. Girls are more fun to draw. (Hey I like drawing robots too, but it doesn’t mean I wanna go make out with Asimo.)
One might ask, in Shadowgirls’ case, why have fanservice at all? It doesn’t advance the story and only serves as an unnecessary distraction. Have you read our comic? It’s about a MILF and her teenage daughter, who turns into creatures to fight fish monsters and dream spiders, a “rich bitch-fish” with a heart of gold, cyborgs (note plural, one’s a crossdresser), mothers back from the dead who shoves glowing rocks into their eye sockets. EoD members who look suspiciously like Cobra Vipers, fish gods possessing teenage girls, and Lindsey trying to take out a Nosferatu vampire with a folding chair, ECW style… Yeah, I guess I can see why Charon in her themed panties would be pushing boundaries.
Now, Max Pneumatic was created in the wake of that Bad Girl/Fanservice Craze in 1990’s comics. At the time, the idea was meant to be a bit more subverted than what the concept turned into. A couple of actual books got made of her, none of them are worth mentioning the events of them. I realized I had written it so vaguely, that nothing in the book was really revealed. She was pretty much an action comic, dedicated to occasional short stories where she beat up a rogue robot, a giant fly monster, and my personal favorite, a villainess named “Terri Byte” who was essentially a genetically modified counter-industrial rock opera dominatrix, who philosophized about the significance of music on a socially evolving underage society, and her plans to fall the RIAA. (This was in the days before Facebook, MP3s, YouTube and even Napster. I think I may had been a bit ahead of my time.)
Max’s stories were never all that fleshed out though. She was supposed to be a parody of the bad girl craze that had been plaguing comics at this time, but honestly, I kinda started to over think some of the ideas and it started to take a life of it’s own, and become the very kind of book I was supposed to be mocking. (Not to mention, I’m not exactly a great writer. So even if I had seen more of it through, would it have really been all that well-written?) Especially after the Bad Girl Craze subsided, I had tried to rework the comic into something more substantial, then a silly parody book. I would actually go back and forth between this book and what was to become Shadowgirls. As time went on, I found myself less and less interested in doing a mindless action comic, and more interested in telling actual drama, with gravitas. For a while there, it really could have gone either way… But then our girl, Becka got created, and Max got placed on the back burner, for what would have been indefinitely. She probably would have been forgotten, except that D.Rod’s concepts for the Night Shift required the need for a high tech female character. It was originally going to be Annaline, but it didn’t quite work out as we thought it was going to. I thought about it and I was like “Hey, I got an idea…” And thus Max was introduced into the Mythmaker Universe, as the wildcard member of the Night Shift. Though a lot less fanservicey than I remember drawing her in the past. (Also a lot better drawn too, but as I hadn’t drawn her in over six years, I would hope I developed more as an artist…
Look, do I draw fanservice? Yeah, I do and I don’t apologize for it. But there is a time and place for it. I actually have gone over previous pages and subdued a lot of the more fanservicey things that stuck out to me that as too gratuitous. (That’s part of that whole ‘development as an artist’ deal. None of the Charon stuff though… That’s all intact.) The only thing I do apologize about is that I really should do more fanservice for the female readers. I do feel bad about it, but it’s hard to get it squeezed in there, when the book’s main cast members are mostly females. There’s been some difficulty working in Sawyer offering to massage Paul’s tight and sore muscles with some coconut oil the appropriate material for it. But I promise you, the first opportunity to draw a shirtless, oiled up man-meat for you, it will be done for you girls.
(And it won’t be Wilson.)





Fanservice fanshmervis! You shouldn’t feel you ever have to apologise for making things you like… unless you’re Ed Gein of course, but that’s beside the point. Art should be about self-expression as much as communication. If you like drawing things that can be construed as “fanservice-ish” who cares? You do it for yourself as much as for us the audience. And I for one like oversized bionic implants too! Yar boo sucks to them thar naysayers and the folk that think wagging the fanservice accusation wand at things gives them some kind of intellectual superiority. Yes, they’re boobs and legs and bikinis, and you like them… and so do I too
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have some skin to make into a lampshade…
Make one of Wilson. I’m not kidding. I wanna hear the roar of Ten Thousand Thousand yelling “DAVE!”
You may be confusing female-geared fanservice with gay erotica there…
I don’t mind fanservice, as long as it stays in character and isn’t too degrading. Your stuff might dance on the boundary sometimes, but it’s not out of line.
And if you make one of Wilson, I will find you and expose you to the pain that you exposed us to.
That would be worth it just to meet you Tink.
Yes, yes it would.
Just because you have female readers doesn’t mean they’re all straight. Some of us are perfectly happy with the Charon fanservice
you’ve done some lovely bits for us girls in the past-i figure you will continue when you can. “at least i can hope”
“some artful insight into irony”
I take it you’re familiar with Atlanta Nights by Travis Tea.
Rikku projects this air of innocence. She may be wearing a very short skirt, but the style and trim and the way she carries herself just practically screams “innocent schoolgirl”. The non-form-fitting top and flared skirt only enhance this. Bayonetta, on the other hand, is all slink. Her full-coverage outfit is form-fitting, showing every curve and shift, and she walks at the least like a runway model (at least, in the commercial) with all of the associated shifting of said curves.
As for fanservice for (straight) female readers, Gage looks to be the appropriate type…
Also forgot to mention the eyes. Rikku’s got the wide eyes of a child, that look of innocence that is always exaggerated in Anime for children and often for younger women, giving them a cuteness factor that, once again, shouts “innocence” from the tops of the tallest towers.
Bayonetta has the narrower eyes of an adult, further emphasized in that regard by small-framed glasses, somewhat similar to Charon’s, actually. The glasses actually give her an air of intelligence that transforms some of the slink into dignity.
Plus, the footwear. Rikku’s choice in boots are akin to high-topped sneakers, and in the image you’ve cited here, complete with an overwild bow-knot ties in the back. Bayonetta is wearing nine-inch jackhammer meat-stompers that are more vertical than any footwear has any right to be, thus why they’re only worn by women who are in the role of sex objects, and only for as little time as they can get away with so that they don’t destroy their feet in a single evening.
Oh, and that particular version of Rikku is fan service; it’s from X2, a.k.a. “Yuna’s Angels”, which has all of the Barbie-esque dress-up features. (They did the same thing with the women of Dead or Alive, but for that franchise they were more blatant about it, and just made it a beach volleyball game.)
Honestly, I think it’s because of fanservice that Bayonetta is now a title I always see in bargain bins. I almost bought it today at $10, but….at some point, I would have to explain to SOME girl why it was in my house. As much as I like really weird games, Bayonetta has an extra layer of creepy that makes me back away, and I suspect I’m not alone.
Eh… I think the reason it’s in the bargin bin has more to do with the fact it’s an 11 month old game than anything. I mean, I can find Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 in the bargin bin, and that’s a great game. It’s like DVDs, when they first come out, they’re expensive, but then they go down in price.
Am I alone in NOT seeing Rikku’s X2 outfit as innocent? Sure she’s all bubbly and cute, but still covering a itty-bitty bikini with a mini-skirt doesn’t exactly save her. Like everything else, I blame Japan for this one and it’s fixation on teen girls. Bayonette however I can easily see since she looks like she stepped right outta some S&M lover’s wet dream.
As for everything else I agree heartily with P…. Except the lampshade part. I’m making a birdhouse.
That was exactly my point. (It might be one of those things I didn’t get across clearly enough.) Many people just kinda dismiss Rikku’s costume because she’s a bubbly schoolgirl, and yet condemn Bayonetta for being nothing but fanservice. Rikku’s outfit is essentially a stripper’s costume, but she’s innocent and sweet, so it’s all okay. Wait, no it’s not! That makes it worse? I used Rikku for my example, but that was just because she was another video game character like Bayonetta. I could name a dozen other sweet and innocent fictional (and some not-so-fictional) girls who are dressed in questionable outfits like that all the time. It can be forgiven if it’s a case of that fictional character’s culture, like for example, Teen Titans’ Starfire, where they’ve pretty much said that Tamaran has a pretty liberal attitude toward their bodies. (Men too.) Or even the Twi’leks from Star Wars. But you can usually tell when that’s the case pretty easily, without too much controversy. And it’s not even just Japan that’s guilty of this. Europe, United States, South America… Hell, the only continent that probably not guilty of this is Antarctica, and who can really tell with those penguins? (I hear they totally get their spheniscidae freak on when you get one or two Long Island Ice Teas in them.)
With someone like Bayonetta, there’s no hiding the fanservice aspect of her… Hell, the fact that the game can be played with “one hand/one button” is ironic and probably intentional. It’s honest and open about it, and not delusional. The character knows how she dresses and even uses it to her tactical advantage. For a fictional character, there is something admirably empowering about that. And while I have never claimed to be a feminist, I do respect the honesty of it. If someone wishes to think that her kind of fanservice is beneath them, that’s not a problem. I can respect that too. But when that same person condemns Bayonetta, Power Girl or even Faye Valentine as sad and pathetic fanservice for basement dwellers, but in the next breath, goes and buys themselves a pair of matching Hatsune Miku and Black Rock Shooter body pillows…
…Yeah, to paraphrase Jar-Jar Binks: “Theysa can be a’kissin’ me ass.”
I meant alone among us peons!
I blame Japan mostly because I can and because when it comes to cartoons and video games it appears they just love their 16 year olds half (or fully) nakkid. Even the regular kiddie stuff seems to always have atleast a girl with breasts so large that her spine should have snapped in half under the weight of the massive melons she’s sporting at a tender age of 15-16 (I’m looking at you Orihime!). Here in the West our pervs prefer our scantily clad teenage girls to be real over anything “fanservicey” like cartoons/comics/games. In fact we seem to have quite the system were girls are groomed specifically for such a purpose, then discarded when they get too old for the pedos to lust after (*coughmileycough*). Eh maybe Japan has something with keeping the jail-bait fake; atleast that way the girl in question isn’t scarred from being sold into a business then spit out with only a passing semblance of a career. Of course I need only remember Tokyo Gore Police to remind myself how weird their culture can get, so maybe it breaks even /shrug.
Hell I got no problems with any sort of fanservice. It is what it is after all and if there wasn’t a demand for it it simply wouldn’t exist. People have probably been doodling slightly naughty pictures since we started painting on cave walls so there’s no sense to condemn it really. Atleast with Bayonette and FFX2 you knew exactly what you were getting into. It doesn’t sneak it in somewhere it’s pretty in your face with its “you’re playing this game to watch hot girls do hot things without being a straight up porno” and just maybe to get the oddly satisfying ending of getting Tidus back. Stuff like that that Hatsune Miku sorta creeps me out a bit but hell if that’s what other people like then I suppose that’s fine and dandy.
Really in the end people are weird esp when the subject relates to sex. It still boggles my mind that people hardly bat an eyelash at the graphic violence in games and various media but god help you if there’s a nipple! Who cares that you just ripped that guy’s arm off and beat him to death with it when that female character has nipples on her breastplate or the fabled cameltoe makes it’s notorious appearance! It just seems logical that anyone watching/playing/reading such a thing would be an adult and is perfectly capable of handling a little TnA with the old ultra violence and action.
/rant off! I’ll get some sleep and won’t feel all philosophical in the morning
I’ve often found it to be a case-by-case basis, myself. It’s not difficult to spot the needless and blatent fanservice that has no substance (Air Gear…seriously, that pig-tailed dame is supposed to be 14?!) and the kind that’s worked in as a joke (which is what I’ve found Orihime to be from Bleach, what little I’ve seen) or is part of the character’s personality. I can accept Charon in her Wonder-thong because that’s part of her as a (fictional) person; there’s a reason for it. But in the Transformers movies, Megan Fox bending over an engine or a motorcycle doesn’t tell us anyting about Mikaela’s personality…only possibly what the director and/or writers thought would attract audiences (but come on…GIANT EFFING ROBOTS!). Japan, I think DOES go overboard, like with Air Gear (seriously…14?!) or Godannar. Yet the animes that I’ve found to stand out above the rest or are more entertaining don’t rely so heavily on it.