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12:02 am
November 29, 2010


Dave Reynolds

North… Just north.

Elder God

posts 310

3:10 am
November 29, 2010


Aurora Ket

Fish Monster

posts 23

*sporfs on soda*


Love the mouseover caption for the image. Seriously. roflroflrofl. :)


Great bonus :D

2:37 pm
November 29, 2010


Pujardov

Fish Monster

posts 148

Way to husband/father, Jackson Snow. My daughter's in a coma and my wife is barely holding it together but I'll just work late. Asshole.

Any chance we can organise a whip round to bribe the Daves into giving Deadbeat here a serious kicking from some fishmonsters?

Honestly, I cannot stand sh*t like this. Family first – always. No exceptions. Charon knows how it works, shame ol' Jackson don't… :(

7:30 pm
November 29, 2010


SporkBot

Deep One

posts 267

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Jack an asshole…not yet anyway. There may be details to the issue we're not seeing, and he feels he is INDEED acting in the best interest of his family and a childhood friend.

For now, I'll just settle for calling him a dumbass.

Do not allow yourself to ever give in to despair or self-pity…that's my job and it's copyrighted, bucko!

8:54 pm
November 29, 2010


DanialArin

Long Island, NY

Fish Monster

posts 177

Given much of the speculation regarding the thing that Gage brought to Jack, I'd say this is probably something extremely sensitive, extremely time-sensitive, and potentially disastrous for Charon, Chrissy, Jack, Becka, Misty, or some combination of the above if he doesn't handle it just right and in time…

11:34 pm
November 29, 2010


Tink

Arkham, MA

Moderator

posts 281

SporkBot said:I don't know if I'd go so far as to call Jack an asshole…not yet anyway. There may be details to the issue we're not seeing, and he feels he is INDEED acting in the best interest of his family and a childhood friend.

For now, I'll just settle for calling him a dumbass.


Oh no- he's an asshole.  He's a very specific type of asshole known as a Nice Guy ™.  Reference: http://xkcd.com/513/

Controlling?  Yup.  Thinks he knows better than everyone?  Check.  Unrequited childhood crush that he CAN'T. LET. GO. EVER?  Bingo.  About the only thing he doesn't do that Gage does is the backhanded compliments.  He's an asshole.  Charon, Chrissy, and Life in General have disabused him of some of his asshole tendencies, but really not enough of them for me not to call it as such.

11:55 pm
November 29, 2010


Random Wanderer

Fish Monster

posts 25

Poor Chrissy. She's trying to be a better person now, she really is, but the universe in general and her husband in particular are not making it easy for her. Now, it's entirely possible that what Jack's doing IS critical, but he's not handling this in the right way.

Now, is Becka likely to be conscious enough to explain to Chrissy what she's doing there? Assuming what she's doing isn't something that Chrissy would object to in and of itself, like killing Misty? (I really don't think Becka would murder Misty in cold blood, but I can't ignore the possibility that that's what Madison wants her to do.)

12:07 am
November 30, 2010


DanialArin

Long Island, NY

Fish Monster

posts 177

Unlike Charon, when Becka bonds with Madison, Becka is still in control.  Unlikely she's there to kill Misty.  More likely she's there to free her, and after her last trip through the Dreamlands, she finally knows how.

12:44 pm
November 30, 2010


Pujardov

Fish Monster

posts 148

DanialArin said:Given much of the speculation regarding the thing that Gage brought to Jack, I'd say this is probably something extremely sensitive, extremely time-sensitive, and potentially disastrous for Charon, Chrissy, Jack, Becka, Misty, or some combination of the above if he doesn't handle it just right and in time…


I don't know about you, but I'd give my wife a clue at least if this was the case… even if there was a chance some MK Ultra types were listening in, I'd give her a nod somehow. Break out the couple-codebook.

I'm not giving him a break on this one until I see otherwise. As things stand, I'm still in the work-him-over-with-a-2×4 camp on this one… daughter in a coma is a big ol' stumbling block for me.

1:48 pm
November 30, 2010


Tain

That Cardboard Box down the Street

Deep One

posts 208

Post edited 1:51 pm – November 30, 2010 by Tain


I do believe I'm in the "work-him-over-with-a-2×4 camp" on this one.  His wife is barely holding it together and pulls THAT?  At least have an alternate activity to do with your wife when you want to keep her from something.  I mean EVERY bastardly jerk knows that one!  That is after all what he's up to, he has an interest in keeping her from seeing whatever he's working on.  If I had to pull a why out of the hat I'd say it involves that Fateful Night and an act that might make us less then pleased with him.


He better watch himself if he keeps this up.  There happens to be a dashing, eyepatch wearing fellow with a chivalrous streak that's MOSTLY sane running about.  He might have some strong words about the situation.

And I'll form the head!

2:34 pm
November 30, 2010


Pujardov

Fish Monster

posts 148

And while I'm in ranty-mode, Chrissy deserves better. She's there reading Misty stories, holding her hand, trying when she knows full well that it might all be spit in the wind, and what's Jack doing?

Apologies if I'm coming on much harsher than normal for me, but this development is falling a little close to home, I'll just never understand anyone that could choose work over their kids. Happens far too often out here in the real world, and it makes me sad, is all.

4:05 pm
November 30, 2010


Bounty

CA

Deep One

posts 244

Just to clarify, the current consensus is that Jack should have said:


"Sure honey, pop on over to the office for a bit. I need help verifying that the loving, doting father who raised you single handed, and provided me with the job that supplies all of our income and pays for the very expensive medical treatments our daughter is currently receiving is actually a Demonic Cult leader who regularly practices human sacrifice when he isn't busy running the biggest crime ring on the East Coast.


"Oh yeah, and there might be something here about the fact that your mom didn't die in childbirth, but was a horrid monster from beneath the sea.


"Be careful on your way over though, because anyone who can't be blackmailed into silence is killed, and I'm not the kind to let this go. And could you pick up sandwiches on your way, I haven't had a chance to eat yet."


It's time for another good idea, bad idea:
Good Idea – Getting your Insider character into the comic
Bad Idea – Joining the EOD to do so.

Gratz to Jacobus for the New Avatar!

5:47 pm
November 30, 2010


Tink

Arkham, MA

Moderator

posts 281

I don't think he's quite that far in yet, Bounty…

5:53 pm
November 30, 2010


Random Wanderer

Fish Monster

posts 25

Post edited 5:56 pm – November 30, 2010 by Random Wanderer


Not exactly, Bounty. There are ways to keep Chrissy out of the EOD's mind and (mostly) unaware of her heritage without making her feel like he's abandoning her or doesn't trust her. If nothing else he can quite justly say that one of them needs to stay with Misty. He could say that what he's investigating could be dangerous and he wants Chrissy ignorant for her safety, and if that doesn't work he can add that if no one's there with Misty someone could take HER and use his daughter against him.

Of course, while Chrissy's forgotten and Jack doesn't know, the rank-and-file EOD probably wouldn't be able to harm Chrissy much at all. She is, after all, the same sort of creature as Robert Olmstead, who successfully fought off both Charon and Becka's individual Shadowchild forms.

Anyway, those are just a couple of possible ways to handle this. The point is, right now Chrissy has no idea what's going on, but everything and everyone she's been relying on seems to be falling apart or abandoning her. She's in a very delicate emotional state right now, and Jack is not helping in the slightest.

7:42 pm
November 30, 2010


DanialArin

Long Island, NY

Fish Monster

posts 177

The thing with keeping someone in the dark for their own safety is, if they know you're keeping them in the dark for their own safety, then they know that they're at risk… which is usually just enough information to (a) make then absolutely need to know more, and (b) put them at risk of whatever harm would target them for knowing.

Regarding Chrissy's Deep One heritage, she already knows. Misty told her.

Regarding Misty's coma, it's been a couple of months. Jackson's being subject to the effects of that have been tempered by time.

However, Jackson is failing to keep the promise he made to Chrissy in the epilogue of Book 1.

Also note that if whatever this is is particularly sensitive and/or stressful, that Jack's ability to put up a Good Front for Chrissy is probably rather deteriorated and/or compromised.

8:00 pm
November 30, 2010


SporkBot

Deep One

posts 267

I find no one has mentioned that Chrissy doesn't seem to have much trust in her husband in this matter. I'll grant that HE could stand to read a couple stories to his comatose daughter, but what exactly makes Christmas jump to some worst-case-scenario just because he wouldn't let her help him out? Okay, she senses he's hiding something, and has a right to be angry about that. But isn't there some confidentiality deal between lawyers and their clients that would prevent her from involvement anyway?

It all pertains to whatever information Jack is holding for Gage. If it's that he could be/is Becka's father, that begs the question "How would that affect Chrissy?" If it has to do with the EOD, then does Snow believe that Philliboyd would bring harm to his own daughter to protect his cult?

Maybe…just maybe…Jackson sees what's coming, and is sacrificing being with his family to protect them.

Do not allow yourself to ever give in to despair or self-pity…that's my job and it's copyrighted, bucko!

6:30 am
December 1, 2010


Tink

Arkham, MA

Moderator

posts 281

Mouse-over text: yeah, that totally confirms that Becka had originally come in to kill Misty.  So much for the info-spike theory.  Wonder if there's anything she can do dreamland-side that will prevent the Mistletoe Bypass from being completed?  Surely it passes through a wealthy Rlyeh suburb somewhere…

7:29 am
December 1, 2010


Random Wanderer

Fish Monster

posts 25

There must be some way to cut Misty free of that thing. Something that Becka can do. Although next time she's in the dreamlands she may have some explaining to do to Madison…

On a tangential line of thought, I have to wonder, do we really want Misty to wake up? Leaving aside the chance of any lingering traces of Mother Hydra, this is the girl who set Becka up to be gang-raped. Yeah, she doesn't deserve to be taken by these eldritch horrors like this, but will she have actually learned any lessons and come out of this a better person, or will she still be the evil brat she was in the start?

8:26 am
December 1, 2010


Tink

Arkham, MA

Moderator

posts 281

And that brings us back into "Who's Driving the Bus" territory.  How much of Misty's behavior pre-Shadowchild awakening was who she was, and how much of it was MH?  Maybe without that parasite, she's a perfectly nice little girl who hugs puppies and brings cookies to old ladies- however, we wouldn't know because MH was also the bit that had stepped up and learned to walk, talk, not stare blankly out into space, etc.

I'm still not convinced that Misty was in control her whole life.  Perhaps the only reason Becka was is because the Shadowchild was split, therefore she didn't get the full dose of eldrich thing.

10:25 am
December 1, 2010


Bounty

CA

Deep One

posts 244

So, lining them up, because I'll not be D-bag enough to reply to 4 separate posts.


My Mouseover on this one just says Snowfall2.


Now we 'Things we won't say' volume 2:

"Not really Mrs. Snow. The night you had my mom arrested for murder, your daughter coerced my best friend into luring me into the country so three football players could rape me. Did you know they're all dead now?"


And as to who's driving the bus, it's a bit irrelevant, as the most likely scenarios that don't involve it was Misty all along mean she's either left a submissive victim of prolonged psychological torture, or a sociopath who never experienced normal childhood development. But having met a few of the pampered gifted of the broken home in my time, the girl doesn't fall to far from the mark.

It's time for another good idea, bad idea:
Good Idea – Getting your Insider character into the comic
Bad Idea – Joining the EOD to do so.

Gratz to Jacobus for the New Avatar!

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