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10:31 pm
February 2, 2010
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D-Rod
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3:43 pm
February 3, 2010
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Faye
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I really wish that someone would educate Lindsey. She's been on the receiving end of prejudice enough to know not to take your hate out on a group of people who are just trying to get on with their lives. "Transexual Cyborg Guy" isn't cool. Cyborg? Metal Hand, check. Guy? Seems likely with the goatee. Transsexual? Well, it seems very unlikely with that beard and makeup, usually Transsexual people (who generally prefer the term Gender Dysphoric) want to present as best they can in the gender they feel they belong to and just get on with their lives. Androgynous even? Still a stretch. Seems he is is effete and fond of makeup… oh and creepy. Perhaps an "Action Transvestite" as Eddie Izzard describes himself?
I like Shadowgirls. I didn't like reading that.
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3:48 pm
February 3, 2010
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Dave Reynolds
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I know where you're coming from, but it needs to be kept in mind that Lindsey's not exactly the most politically correct individual in the world.
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6:19 pm
February 3, 2010
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Faye
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Dave Reynolds said:I know where you're coming from, but it needs to be kept in mind that Lindsey's not exactly the most politically correct individual in the world.
I'd previously had Lindsey down as spunky and savvy. Perhaps she's not so savvy. PC really doesn't come into it, sure she's going to use strong language, but hopefully she'd use an appropriate word?
Famous makeup wearing men like Robert Smith (of The Cure) and George O'Dowd (of Culture Club) would be equally horrified at being called transsexual.
I really like the strong female characters you guys have created, please don't make them appear cretinous.
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6:39 pm
February 3, 2010
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Bounty
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While I respect that you have very strong feeling about the use of these words, I need to back the Dave's up here that the in-terms used by subcultures aren't always well known outside of them. I have never heard the term"Action Transvestite" and I've only heard "Gender Dysphoric" when talking to people who consider themselves Gender Dysphoric. The common person refers to them as Transgender or Transsexual, just like they use Gay and Lesbian. I will admit that this isn't perhaps the BEST way of refering to it, but on the list of derogitory slurs, it rates fairly low, and I think if you asked 500 "spunky and savvy" teenagers to describe the person in the picture, you'd get an overwhelming number of Trans-* and less than 2% for the others.
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It's time for another good idea, bad idea:
Good Idea – Getting your Insider character into the comic
Bad Idea – Joining the EOD to do so. Gratz to Jacobus for the New Avatar!
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9:25 pm
February 3, 2010
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Tink
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I can see both sides here. On one hand, it sucks being a minority of any type. People apply terms that are completely wrong, and it doesn't help that it gets perpetuated in the culture.
On the other hand, people who are ignorant by choice or circumstance exist, and I can see how this second category would apply to Lindsey. I grew up in a very small town, which I imagine to be a bit like Innsmouth without the fishmonsters. With a small sample size like that, you're going to find very few of any minorities- there were three black kids in my graduating class, all cousins… and that's pretty much all of the diversity there. I didn't meet anyone personally who was openly gay until college, and I only just met someone who is trans last year- chances are I've made casual acquaintance, but that doesn't mean I would have known. I'm not ignorant, and I've been called enough nasty things that I would never intentionally do that to another person. But I hadn't had that experience yet, and I didn't know. And if I didn't know, how would Lindsey?
So I guess the question is whose job is it to change society so that people like me and Lindsey will know what to say, and whose job is it to write a character that is believable in that society. As a teenage girl in a small town, using that kind of language, Lindsey is a believable character- and if the author's job is to write a believable character, then the author is doing his job. Likewise, Faye, you're doing your job by trying to educate people, which I appreciate- greatly. I don't think anyone is really in the wrong here.
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Pardon the incoherent rambling, please. I am on some very strong allergy medication. Whee, decongestants!
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11:10 pm
February 3, 2010
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Since when did this comic center around whether or not ficitional 16 year olds know the new politically correct, euphimisms for what to call someone who tried to kill her? Seriously? We had nothing else to say about the entire page, except "OMG SHE USED THE WORD TRANSEXUAL!"
I guess it wasn't a democrat using the word "retard" so go ahead, rant on about the ignorance of teenage society. I'm just really hoping you aren't actually offended by something so minor… keep in mind, you don't see all of what Lindsey experienced with the guy. Maybe you're missing something and simply judging Linsdey because she's a teenager?
Anyway. George Carlin would never stand for this reaction.
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11:29 am
February 4, 2010
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Pujardov
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I always took him for more of a transvestite/cross-dressing cyborg guy myself. Or did Lindsey peep while he was restrained?
Joking aside though, I think it's not too much of a give to allow a teenage girl to make a non-PC comment like that, all things considered. I've heard many a teenager make such observations about folk off the cuff, and most of the time it's certainly impolite, unjust or just plain out of line. It is though the reality of those beastly little things we call our offspring; they half-hear things, half-understand them, and then parrot them back to one another. Teenagers aren't always as clued-up as adults (sometimes they are, admittedly – I'm not trying to say all teenagers are rude wastrels, I know some that make me feel dumb as all hell). What I'm saying is that they might be our little angels, but they're not always perfect. That's kids for you.
If every fictional teenager was clued-up, devoid of predjudice, didn't smoke, drink or have premarital sex, worked hard at school, did all their chores, never spoke out of turn or swore, always did their homework, didn't have double-standards, and never stayed out all night without saying where they were… hell, they'd not be teenagers, they'd be residents of Stepford or slightly smaller alien pod people! We all were, or still are, a teenager at some point in time. And I'm sure none of us did everything right. I'd rather see myself and recognise me and that tribe I belonged to once upon a time, no matter how crass and clueless it sometimes was. I'd rather have a writer present me with a recognisable reality, no matter what. And in the end, I never even read it as a statement of hatred, just a 16-year-old's description of a vanquished foe.
Unless of course she did peep 
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8:05 am
February 6, 2010
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Faye
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Post edited 8:17 am – February 6, 2010 by Faye
Well said Tink. You nailed it. It doesn't help when things are perpetuated in popular media. It's why I couldn't just let it lie. I wasn't saying the D's had done a bad job, hence aiming at Lindsey and not them. You're right to ask "Whose job is it to fix this?" I think it can only be all of ours. If we accept it, nothing changes. If we make little nudges each time then maybe things change in the group as a whole, little by little.
It's our world and we need to work together to make it better. Don't leave it to other people to fix, because they'll just do the same.
Thanks for putting up with my pet rant.
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2:38 am
February 7, 2010
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Bounty
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Personally I think that effort is better applyed in trying to reclaim the term transexual than attempting to re-educate society. One of the more coomon symbols of the GLBTG (hope I got that right) movement is the Pink Triangle. But this was originally used by the Nazi's as a stimga attached to clothing, the same way that jews were forced to wear a star of David. Rather than trying to bury that, or change it, they claimed it an dmade it thier own. Same could be done for Transgendered I would think.
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It's time for another good idea, bad idea:
Good Idea – Getting your Insider character into the comic
Bad Idea – Joining the EOD to do so. Gratz to Jacobus for the New Avatar!
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